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Cycling seems to draw many people that have solutions looking for problems. Occasionally, this top down method works out, and we see widespread adoption of things that we never would have thought that we needed. More often, things are introduced and then just slowly disappear.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s interesting to watch how this relates to trends developing in mountain biking. I think that you need to be a bit of a skeptic to be a mountain biker. It seldom pays to be the first person to jump on board something that is a bit crazy and weird. Once a critical mass is achieved though, adoption rapidly accelerates (whether it makes sense or not), and only once the masses are on board does the real refinement begin. This is the beauty of having well-heeled, vocal consumers.<\/p>\n

Which is a pretty long way to introduce the review for what is basically a flat pedal with some magnets bolted to them. But I think we need to understand ourselves before we can begin to understand this product. Was I searching for a flat pedal with magnets bolted to them? Do I have a problem with the flat pedal system that I typically ride? Are there glaring deficiencies with existing clipless pedal systems? The answer to all of these questions is probably \u201cno\u201d. My initial reaction is to dismiss these pedals as a solution looking for a problem. But perhaps I\u2019ve whiplashed enough times in recent years from \u201claughing skeptic\u201d to \u201centhusiastic convert\u201d that I\u2019ve learned my lesson? Maybe there\u2019s something to this idea?<\/p>\n

I look at my decision process as to why I ride flat pedals. It was very conscious for me to become a flat pedal rider. I rode clipless pedals for many, many years. I specifically worked to develop my skills on flat pedals because I wanted to race dual slaloms and effective use of flat pedals seemed like an essential skill. Once I had those skills, I transitioned that over to the rest of my riding, and I haven\u2019t really looked back.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s not to say that I can\u2019t or don\u2019t ride clipless pedals. Most of my commuter bikes are clipless, and every couple of years I\u2019ll dust off a pair and slap them onto my mountain bike. The part that sends me back to flats is the cornering feel. This could be down to the particulars of my body (I have stiff ankle joints) but I feel like there\u2019s a lot less that I can do with the bike through a corner when I\u2019m clipped in. No amount of increased pedaling efficiency, or perceived security, is worth that trade off for me.<\/p>\n

It would seem to me that this is a decision that every cyclist has made. You\u2019re either a flat pedal rider or you\u2019re a clipless rider and it\u2019s not exactly clear that this is any sort of an issue. But reading between the lines of what I wrote above, there is a narrow window where something else could fit through. Maybe both of the current systems are a giant compromise and pedals with magnets are just what the world needs? Or maybe these things will give me less cornering feel than I like, but not strap me in with any sort of security either? Greater than the sum of the parts, or subtraction by addition? I guess we\u2019ll find out.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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These are substantial pedals, by any measure. Fitting that magnet in the middle requires a bit of space.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Set-up<\/b><\/h2>\n

Pulling these things out of the box left me impressed. There\u2019s some damning with faint praise here because when I first saw photos\u2026 Let\u2019s just say that if these were regular flat pedals without magnets they wouldn\u2019t have found their way onto my bicycle. I guess the need to jam a couple of fat magnets into the middle means Hustle can\u2019t apply the lessons in thinness that we\u2019ve learned over the last decade or so. But in person, they\u2019re substantial and they look pretty okay.<\/p>\n

There are also an impressive number of accoutrements contained in the box. The pedals come surrounded in cardboard, foam pads and warnings that are probably best heeded. It all seems a teensy bit silly, but the first time you get your hand caught between a shoe flying towards the pedal you\u2019ll wish you paid attention.<\/p>\n

The first thing you\u2019ll want to do is attach the cleat\/plate to your shoe. The cleat is gigantic and will fill much of the space, side-to-side, in your cleat box. This simplifies installation a bit, relative to clipless, as you don\u2019t really need to worry as much about cleat angle or side-to-side location. It really comes down to fore-aft location and height. For me, I just lined it up with the centerline of the shoe, pushed it all the way back and I was good to go. Most shoes require the (included) spacer underneath, as well.<\/p>\n

Once you move to the pedal, you\u2019ll figure out that pin setup is really important. There\u2019s a Youtube channel<\/a> that you can check out that will walk you through pin set-up for several popular shoes. The gist is that you want the cleat to make contact with the magnets (center-to-center), and then you want the pins to close the gaps to the sole. This is mostly accomplished with the pins along the front and trailing edge, and can be a bit of a balancing act with all of the variables at play. The pedals ship with a buttload of extra pins in a couple of heights, so lots of adjustments are possible.<\/p>\n

To get the proper setup, it took me about a half an hour of fiddling. I did a few iterations of attaching my shoe to the pedal, inspecting how things were lining up and then tweaking the pin heights and locations. This is the period where you need to really watch your hands, as the shoes move pretty quickly towards the pedal when they\u2019re not attached to your feet. Once you have this all sorted out, you should be good to strap your shoes on and pedal around the block a few times.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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The goal is to fit the pins to the contour of the shoe. This usually requires a bit more meat up front than in the back<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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This setup worked well, with the two daggers at the front corner of the pedal. Interesting to note that the wear on my shoe suggests I spend some time riding with my foot too far back on the pedal.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Nothing fancy required in the back. Just a row of the smaller pins.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Initial Experiences<\/b><\/h2>\n

The most surprising thing about these pedals is how often they surprise. The magnets lurk and make themselves known when you\u2019re least expecting them. When you\u2019re pulling them out of the toolbox that you\u2019re storing them in\u2026Bang! A staple gun falls on the floor. When you\u2019re adjusting the pins\u2026snap! The tool flies out of your hand. When your cleat clad shoe enters their vicinity\u2026Kablamo! Your shoe snaps into place. Heck, I was just trying to wrestle my repair stand off the wall and it was stuck only to find it was stuck to my bicycle! These things are powerful.<\/p>\n

The first lesson that this teaches is that you probably need to think about your foot placement more than you have in the past. Unlike with clipless pedals, it\u2019s possible to attach in more than one configuration, and unlike with flats, it\u2019s not easy to re-position your foot once attached. The pedal sucks you in, no matter how your foot is placed, once you enter a certain threshold. I found getting fore and aft placement to be the trickiest piece. Foot rotation is easy to control, and a bit of side-to-side variability wasn\u2019t a problem, but proper fore-and-aft placement each and every time took a bit of experience. Again, the pedal pulls with so much force that there\u2019s no hovering or subtle shifting of your foot once the pedal latches on.<\/p>\n

I was really surprised by just how strong the pull is between magnets and cleats. You can pull straight up with a surprising amount of force and the shoe won\u2019t release. Yes, you can probably pull up harder with a true clipless pedal, but these pedals will hold you in firmly enough to overcome any vertical forces you might put into them in normal riding situations. As well, unlike a clipless pedal, once you\u2019re latched in, there\u2019s no real float to speak of. Of course, this is dependent on pedal set-up. My first attempt with an old pair of rock-soled shoes resulted in a pivoting mess of float where it felt like I was skating on a steel plate. Perhaps there\u2019s a middle ground possible where you maintain a bit of float, but it seems to me that this would defeat the purpose of these pedals. You need<\/i> the pins to be biting into your shoe, and once things are set up to make this happen, you need to learn new techniques to adjust your foot. I found that a subtle roll of the foot was the best way to reposition, as this would break the connection enough that I could move around a bit.<\/p>\n

At some point, you\u2019ll want to remove your foot from the pedal. Any sort of twist or rolling motion is enough to allow you to pull your foot away. It shouldn\u2019t take much for any clipless rider to adjust their typical movement to these pedals.<\/p>\n

Inevitably, you will attempt to compare the feelings you are experiencing to that of either a flat pedal or a clipless pedal. You\u2019ll determine that it is both, and it is neither. It is superior and it is worse. It is the same and it is different.<\/p>\n

As you stand on the pedal, it feels like a flat. A really secure flat. Your foot is supported in all the right places. You\u2019re in the pedal, you\u2019re not on it. Or maybe you\u2019re on it, not in it? Your foot is solid and it\u2019s not going anywhere. But you don\u2019t have quite the degrees of freedom that you have with a flat pedal. Where you once twisted and rolled, you\u2019re now locked into a single plane.<\/p>\n

As you pull up on the pedal, it is clipless. I don\u2019t really have any expansion on that point. It locks you in with both more and less predictability. As I mentioned, depending on how you set it up, there\u2019s no float! The magnets are pulling your shoes into the pins! But the release is also a lot different and, in certain ways, less predictable. Where the release point of a clipless is fairly obvious, here it can be less so. If you roll your foot it resists, resists, resists, and then it doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

This may sound daunting, but release isn\u2019t really a problem. I find even when I\u2019m getting off my flat pedals, years of muscle memory from clipless pedals means I do a subtle little ankle flick. This is more than enough to break the pull. That or a nice little roll off.<\/p>\n

All of this is new. All of this is different. It is best if you try not to describe it based on concepts of yore.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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You want your cleat centered to the magnet, with full contact between the two. I would think that messing this up would substantially compromise the pulling force.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Long Term<\/b><\/h2>\n

I wound up putting a lot of riding time into these pedals. All told, I\u2019d estimate several hundred kilometers. The vast majority of that was commuting and gravel-ish riding, with a bit of regular trail riding thrown into the mix.<\/p>\n

The biggest standout for me is how great these pedals are for the act of pedaling. In that regard, they\u2019re the best possible combination of clipless and flat. Like a flat, it really feels like you\u2019re standing on something. Like a clipless, your foot isn\u2019t going anywhere and you can really take advantage of pedaling all of the way around the circle. Please don\u2019t \u201cactually\u201d me in the comments with an essay on pedaling dynamics. I just don\u2019t care.<\/p>\n

Retention on these things is great. I never came out of the pedal by pulling up. But then again, I\u2019m mostly a flat pedal rider, so I\u2019m not generally putting a lot of energy into pulling my feet up while I ride. Straight pulling force is great, but it doesn\u2019t take much roll from your foot before the magnet significantly loses pull. I never had a problem while descending, but there were a few times where I put some heavy body English in while climbing and I popped out.<\/p>\n

Riding down the trail, when all is lined up correctly, there\u2019s nothing to worry about. Before these pedals I had thought that my cornering challenges with clipless were down to not enough freedom of movement. After riding with these, I think what I actually don\u2019t like about clipless is all that float! I worried that having my foot sucked to the pedal was going to feel restrictive, but they really just feel like a grippy pair of flats. That is, when all is lined up correctly.<\/p>\n

This is the major caveat that I have to these pedals. My entry ratio with clipless is as follows:<\/p>\n

– 80% of the time \u2013 In with one smooth motion and a click.<\/p>\n

– 15% of the time \u2013 Miss by a breathe on the first click so a subtle shimmy is required.<\/p>\n

– 5% of the time \u2013 Oops. Stab at your pedal like a novice road biker.<\/p>\n

Entry into a clipless pedal isn\u2019t something that I think about, and I figured it would be the same with these pedals. The problem, though, is that they\u2019re so hungry to grab onto that cleat, it\u2019s actually fairly easy to attach to the pedal with your foot in the wrong spot, and if you happen to ride with your foot like that, the connection isn\u2019t all that secure. As well, there isn\u2019t much feedback when this happens. If you\u2019re slightly off, it more or less feels the same as when you\u2019re fully latched. With flats, you can feel where the pedal is under foot and with clips, there isn\u2019t really an option to be in the wrong position. Not having either of those feedback mechanisms was a bit challenging for me, and as crazy as this sounds, these pedals are too easy to get into.<\/p>\n

On easier trails or on asphalt\/gravel, this wasn\u2019t really a problem. Get one foot properly placed, and then you can usually have things lined up with only a quick glance at the other foot. On more complicated terrain, where you don\u2019t have the luxury of taking a look or if your foot comes out mid trail, this can become a bit complicated.<\/p>\n

I assume, like anything, this will improve over time and I would become just as confident getting into these pedals as I am now with clipless or flats. It didn\u2019t come as quickly for me as expected though, and you should be prepared for a new learning experience, because it is different.<\/p>\n

Retention on these things is great. I never came out of the pedal by pulling up. But then again, I\u2019m mostly a flat pedal rider, so I\u2019m not generally putting a lot of energy into pulling my feet up while I ride. Straight pulling force is great, but it doesn\u2019t take much roll from your foot before the magnet significantly loses pull. I never had a problem while descending, but there were a few times where I put some heavy body English in while climbing I popped out.hink you\u2019re going to be too far away from the flat pedal experience. If your soles are too hard, they\u2019re going to feel like a loose set of clipless pedals. The same thing if you get your pin setup wrong, or if you don\u2019t set it up with full metal to metal contact between the cleat and the magnets. There are a tonne of variables, and a lot of different contact points. These will all impact your experience.<\/p>\n

My shoe choice was the new Five Ten Trailcross CR shoe. For me, these were a really great balancing act. The soles are grippy and not too stiff, so they don\u2019t feel all that dissimilar to a flat pedal shoe. As well, I was able to get them set up such that I had full metal to metal cleat\/magnet contact, while having lots of good pin\/sole contact as well. This gave me both lots of pulling force via the magnets and lots of grip via the pins. Again, different shoes might feel very different.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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These are noticeable pedals, especially in bright blue. I had a couple of people loudly exclaim “Whoah! That dude’s got magnets in his pedals!”<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Back to Flats<\/b><\/h2>\n

Often, your best impression of a product comes either as you start to use it, or after you move to something else. I spent a month or so riding nothing but the Hustle pedal, and it was a bit surprising getting back to flats.<\/p>\n

First, I was kind of shocked by how much my feet were bouncing around! Spending all of your time on flats you lose sight of just how disconnected your feet really are.<\/p>\n

But I was also surprised by just how easy it was to put my foot in exactly the right spot, every time. Without even thinking about it, my foot would go to the correct place, which is honestly what I had expected of the Hustle pedal. I\u2019m still trying to figure out exactly why I can put my foot right where it needs to be with a clipless pedal or with a flat pedal, but somehow can\u2019t seem to get it exactly right once magnets are added into the mix.<\/p>\n

In Conclusion<\/b><\/h2>\n

I really didn\u2019t know what to expect out of these pedals, and I found them to be a pleasant surprise. I\u2019m not at the point where I\u2019m a full time convert for trail riding, as I really do like riding flat pedals. However, if I did feel the need to be more firmly attached, I would probably reach for these before I would reach for clipless.<\/p>\n

All of my recent clipless experience is with SPDs, so maybe there are systems out there that would suit me better. After riding with these pedals though, every time I clip in to SPDs now it just feels kind of loose and awful. This was an interesting thing for me to wrap my head around.<\/p>\n

Where I probably will consistently run these pedals is for all day rides or bikepacking type stuff. It may seem a bit counterintuitive to slap a big, heavy pedal on for this type of ride, but it\u2019s sort of perfect for me. The comfortable shoes, slightly softer soles and walkability are my preference if I\u2019m going to be riding all day, and these feel like the perfect compromise between clipless and flats for that type of riding.<\/p>\n

I could see these pedals being a solution for many people. They really do give you the feel of a flat, with similar retention to clipless. There is a learning curve (that I\u2019m still climbing after many, many rides) and they are heavy and expensive. Riding with these pedals didn\u2019t make me miss flats, but it did make me realize what I don\u2019t like about clipless pedals. The only thing really holding me back from being really, really into these pedals is the fact that I can\u2019t quite get my foot placed exactly where I want it 100% of the time without looking or futzing.<\/p>\n

Details<\/b><\/h2>\n

The Hustle pedal is available direct<\/a> for US$219. The pedal body is 6061-T6 aluminum (with a 95x120mm footprint), and the axle is stainless steel. Claimed weight is 750g for a set, without pins installed and without factoring cleats (another 90g or so). Bearings are \u201csealed bearing\/roller bearing sleeve\u201d and I didn\u2019t crack them open to have a look. Spare cleats are US$19 and spare pins are less than US$20 for a pack of 50.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n